We Asked the Impossible Question… And Got the Most UNIFIED Response We’ve Ever Seen! (Plus the “Obama’s Third Term” Theory That Changes Everything)
THE QUESTION THAT DEMANDED A CHOICE
“Who destroyed America more—Biden or Obama?”
This question forces a choice between two Democratic presidents blamed by conservatives for America’s decline. It’s designed to spark debate. To create division between Obama defenders and Biden critics.
What we got was OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS: BOTH.
Out of approximately 200+ responses, at least 150+ said “BOTH.” Another 30+ said “tie” or “toss up” or “equal.” Only a handful picked one over the other.
This is the MOST unified response we’ve seen on any question. No tribal warfare. No heated debate. Just universal agreement: Both destroyed America. Together.
THE “BOTH” AVALANCHE
The Simple Declaration
“Both” appeared at least 150+ times as single-word answer.
Not “Both, but…” or “Both, although…” Just “BOTH.”
“Both of them” “Both did” “BOTH” “Both!!!!” “BOTH!!!!!!!!”
The repetition is striking. Person after person saying the same thing. No elaboration needed. No explanation required. Just: Both.
This isn’t debate. This is CONSENSUS.
The Emphatic Variations
“It’s a tie” (mentioned at least 15+ times)
“Toss up” (mentioned at least 10+ times)
“Both are responsible”
“Both are guilty”
“Both did at the same time”
“They both did”
“Both are equally responsible !!!”
“Equal damage”
“Dead Heat !!! Both”
“It’s about the same”
“50-50”
“Tied”
“Tied for worst”
Every possible way to say “they’re equally bad,” people said it. The tie isn’t close race where both are good. It’s close race where both are TERRIBLE.
The Team Destruction Theory
“I think it was a Team effort!!!😡”
“Both they worked hand-in-hand”
“They did it together”
“Together they had 12 years both”
“Together both”
“It was a joint effort !!! 😏😏😏😏”
“Actually both”
“Both together”
This isn’t just “both were bad.” This is “both WORKED TOGETHER to destroy America.” Coordinated effort. Planned destruction. Tag team devastation.
THE OBAMA’S THIRD TERM CONSPIRACY
Biden as Obama’s Puppet
“Obama! Remember, he had 3 terms”
This is KEY insight that explains why so many said “both.” They don’t see Biden and Obama as separate presidencies. They see Obama’s THIRD TERM executed through Biden.
“Well, considering Obama was the puppet master for Boden, I’d say Obama”
“Obama since he really ran Biden”
“Biden was being run by Obama. Trick Question”
“Obama and Obama in Bidens 4 years”
“Dan Clark: Obama had to tell Joe what to do!”
Biden wasn’t actually president. He was front man. Obama pulled strings from behind. This makes it impossible to separate their damage because it’s ONE continuous presidency from 2009-2025 (minus Trump’s interruption).
“Stan Haydel: Obama. Remember he said a perfect situation would be when he was in background pulling the strings of the man in office and running the country. That is exactly what happened”
This references Obama’s actual statement about wanting to have “third term” where he’s in sweats in basement making decisions while someone else is the front. Many conservatives believe he got EXACTLY that with Biden.
“Charlotte Bailey: Well, considering Obama was the puppet master for Boden, I’d say Obama”
“Travis Rogers: Probably Obama he was telling sleepy Joe what to do”
“Donna Miller: Obama because he ran the Biden era”
“James Craig Daugherty: Both did because obama was running the show biden was taking his orders from bama”
“Clarence Sid Harper: Obama because he was running the show during Joe’s nursing home experience!!3rd term!!!”
The belief is widespread: Biden was senile puppet. Obama was shadow president. Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, other Obama administration officials came back and actually governed while Biden napped.
The Strategic Sequencing
“Thomas Poore: Obama, but Biden was trying to finish what Obama didn’t accomplish”
This suggests PLANNED destruction. Obama started it. Trump interrupted. Biden finished it. Two phases of same plan.
“Daryl Brassfield: IT ALL STARTED BO AND SLEEPY FOLLOWED”
“Adrian Rice: Both but Obama started it”
“Roy Dillard: Obuma started it bidum tried to finish it”
Obama laid foundation. Biden built on it. Sequential destruction. Phase one, phase two.
“Troy Colson: Obama did most damage but Biden took it from there and really screwed up”
“Garth Owens: Biden just continued what Obama began !”
“Frank Martin: Obama had his third term controlling Biden. They thought they will continue with Kamala and Tim Tampon but they could not”
The theory: Obama’s plan was THREE TERMS followed by Kamala continuing it. Total 16+ years of progressive transformation. Trump’s 2024 victory STOPPED the plan.
THE SPECIFIC OBAMA BLAME
Why Obama Gets Primary Responsibility
“Ken Kouchnerkavich: I would have to say Obama, he knew what he was doing…”
Obama was INTENTIONAL. He had plan. He executed it. Biden was just following orders.
“Robert Mountfort: Obama. He knew what he was doing”
Same idea. Obama’s damage was calculated. Planned. Deliberate. That makes it worse than Biden’s incompetence.
“Charles Cain: Obama by far”
“Michele Giancaspro: Fináncially Obama”
“Rory Buck Owens: Obama more to me”
“Billy Alderman: Obama for 12 years!”
Counting 8 years as president plus 4 controlling Biden = 12 years of destruction.
“Gary Hill: Oboma”
“Mark Cochran: Both in reality obumashit because he was in bidens ear all the time”
Even people who say “both” give Obama primary blame because he was ORCHESTRATING everything.
THE SPECIFIC BIDEN BLAME
Why Biden Gets Responsibility
“Wayne Kreidenweis: If I have just pick 1 it’s Biden, but their both to blame”
Biden’s four years were MORE destructive than any of Obama’s eight. Concentrated devastation.
“David Huey: They re both equal only Biden did in 4 years what it took Obama 8 to do”
This is DAMNING. Biden accomplished twice the destruction in half the time. That’s impressive (in worst way possible).
What Biden destroyed in 4 years:
- Border: 10+ million illegal immigrants entered
- Economy: Worst inflation in 40 years
- Energy: Gas hit $5+/gallon, ended energy independence
- Military: Afghanistan withdrawal disaster
- Crime: Defund police movement, crime surged
- Culture: Woke ideology went mainstream
- Constitution: Weaponized DOJ against political opponents
Obama did damage over 8 years. Biden ACCELERATED it dramatically in just 4.
THE “O’BIDEN” PHENOMENON
They’re The Same Person
“Kevin Davis: O’Biden”
“Ralph Farris: Both I would say obidon”
“John Troyer: Obama was Biden!”
These aren’t separate presidents. They’re one entity. O’Biden. Obidon. Obama-Biden. Same administration. Same policies. Same destruction.
“Cheryl Mackey: Obama/ Biden same”
“One and the same”
“Marc Hermens: One in the same!”
“Simon Mules: Same thing”
You can’t separate them. Trying to assign individual blame misses the point. They’re unified force of American destruction.
THE RARE DISSENT
The Obama/Biden Defenders
“Laura Hayes: Neither. They both did their best. They really tried to help the American people”
Out of 200+ responses, maybe 3 defended Obama and Biden. This person believes they genuinely tried to help. Operated with good intentions even if results were poor.
“Jim Johnson: They both did more for the working class than anyone in the last thirty years But some people are blind to what they achieved They both had the best intentions for all of us”
Another defender. Claims Obama and Biden did MORE for working class than anyone. Argues people are “blind” to their achievements.
This is minority position. Heavily outnumbered. But present.
“Seth Holmes: Nun both where good”
Defending both as good presidents. Grammar issues aside, this person thinks neither destroyed America.
“Edward Taylor: They both better than trump”
Comparative defense. Not saying Obama and Biden were great, but better than Trump. Lesser of evils.
The Trump Blame
“Neither but Trump for sure 😃”
“Mark Hatfield: Neither-TRUMP is the one”
“Terry Van Gilder: No, it’s Trump in process even today”
“Steve Westman: Neither! That’s all on Trump!👎💩🤮”
“Nancy Harrington: Neither it al 200% TRUMP”
“Terri Gamage: Trump that’s my answer”
“Christina Wenger: Trump did big time!”
“Rocco Gatta: Trump without a doubt”
“Billie Hegmann McGee: Gee, I wonder, but am pretty certain that was trump”
“Nelly Zafra: Tromp”
About 10-12 responses blamed Trump for destroying America instead of Obama or Biden.
This is maybe 5% of responses. Vastly outnumbered. But these people genuinely believe Trump is the destroyer, not Obama or Biden.
WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DESTROYED
The Obama Destruction (2009-2017)
Healthcare System:
Obamacare fundamentally transformed healthcare. Required everyone to buy insurance or pay tax. Millions lost plans they liked despite “if you like your plan you can keep it” promise.
Premiums rose dramatically for middle class. Deductibles skyrocketed. Healthcare became MORE expensive for many while helping some.
Created massive new government bureaucracy. Increased federal control over 1/6 of economy.
Racial Division:
Obama was supposed to heal racial divisions. Instead, race relations WORSENED during his presidency.
Black Lives Matter formed under Obama. Ferguson riots. Baltimore riots. Increased focus on racial identity politics divided Americans by race.
Police-community relations deteriorated. “Hands up, don’t shoot” narrative (later proven false) created lasting damage.
Obama’s comments on cases like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown inflamed tensions rather than calming them.
Government Overreach:
IRS targeting conservative groups. Used government agency to punish political opponents. This was SCANDAL but barely covered by media.
NSA surveillance expansion. Spied on Americans at massive scale. Violated privacy rights.
Fast and Furious gun-running scandal. Government lost track of weapons that killed Americans.
Weaponized federal agencies against political enemies. Set precedent that Biden continued.
Foreign Policy Disasters:
“Red line” in Syria that wasn’t enforced. Destroyed American credibility.
Iran nuclear deal that gave billions to terrorist regime.
ISIS formed and spread during Obama years. “JV team” comment aged terribly.
Benghazi attack killed Americans. Administration lied about cause (blamed video instead of terrorism).
Russia invaded Crimea. Obama did nothing meaningful.
Economic “Recovery”:
Slowest recovery from recession in modern history. GDP growth averaged barely 2%.
95 million Americans out of labor force. Unemployment rate looked good only because millions gave up looking for work.
Wage stagnation. Real wages didn’t grow for middle class.
National debt nearly DOUBLED from $10T to $20T. Added more debt than all previous presidents combined.
Manufacturing continued declining. “Those jobs aren’t coming back” mentality accepted defeat.
Cultural Transformation:
Pushed transgender ideology into mainstream. Boys in girls’ bathrooms. This accelerated dramatically under Obama.
Gay marriage nationalized through Supreme Court (Obergefell). Fundamentally changed definition of marriage.
Political correctness became dominant. Cancel culture began forming.
Traditional values attacked as bigotry. Christianity marginalized.
The Biden Destruction (2021-2025)
Border Catastrophe:
10+ MILLION illegal immigrants entered under Biden. This is INVASION-level numbers.
Stopped wall construction day one. Ended “Remain in Mexico.” Invited massive surge.
Released millions into interior without court dates. Most will never be deported.
Fentanyl deaths skyrocketed. Chinese fentanyl flooding across open border killing 100,000+ Americans annually.
Sex trafficking. Child trafficking. Criminals entering. Terrorists entering. Unknown numbers.
Changed demographic makeup of America permanently. Millions of new Democrat voters (eventually).
Overwhelmed cities. New York, Chicago, Denver spending billions on illegal immigrants while citizens suffer.
Inflation Crisis:
Printed $6+ TRILLION during COVID and after. This caused worst inflation in 40 years.
Gas hit $5+/gallon. Groceries up 30-40%. Housing unaffordable. Everything costs dramatically more.
Inflation is REGRESSIVE TAX. Hurts working poor most. Destroys savings. Makes everyone poorer.
Federal Reserve forced to raise rates dramatically. Mortgages went from 3% to 7%+. Housing market locked up.
Real wages fell. Paychecks didn’t keep up with inflation. Americans got POORER.
Energy Dependence:
Canceled Keystone XL immediately. Ended American energy independence Trump achieved.
Paused federal drilling leases. Made it harder to produce domestic energy.
Pushed electric vehicles nobody wants. Infrastructure doesn’t exist. Tech isn’t ready.
Released strategic petroleum reserves to lower gas prices temporarily. Left America vulnerable.
Begged Saudi Arabia and Venezuela for oil instead of producing domestically. Pathetic.
Afghanistan Disaster:
Worst military defeat since Vietnam. Completely botched withdrawal.
Left $80+ BILLION in military equipment to Taliban. They now have U.S. weapons, helicopters, vehicles.
Abandoned Americans behind enemy lines. Lied about getting everyone out.
13 service members killed in suicide bombing during evacuation. Preventable deaths.
Destroyed American credibility globally. Allies don’t trust us. Enemies don’t fear us.
Crime Surge:
Supported “defund police” movement. Emboldened criminals.
Soros-backed prosecutors released violent criminals. No cash bail. Crime exploded.
Carjackings, smash-and-grabs, murders. Cities became dangerous.
Blamed guns instead of criminals. Pushed gun control while criminals roamed free.
Woke Ideology:
Transgender ideology pushed EVERYWHERE. Men in women’s sports. Boys in girls’ locker rooms.
Critical Race Theory in schools. Teaching kids to hate America and see everything through race.
DEI requirements destroying merit. Hiring based on identity not qualification.
Military went woke. Focused on pronouns instead of readiness. Recruiting collapsed.
Corporate America went woke. ESG scores, DEI mandates, social justice replacing profit.
Weaponized Government:
Raided Trump’s home. Unprecedented use of FBI against political opponent.
Multiple indictments of Trump. Lawfare trying to jail opposition leader.
January 6 prosecutions. Hundreds imprisoned for trespassing. Political prisoners.
Parents at school boards labeled “domestic terrorists” by DOJ.
IRS armed agents. 87,000 new agents to target middle class.
Foreign Policy Weakness:
Russia invaded Ukraine under Biden. Wouldn’t have happened under Trump.
China emboldened. Threatened Taiwan. Knew Biden was weak.
Afghanistan collapse showed weakness to whole world.
Iran enriching uranium. Moving toward nuclear weapons. Getting billions from Biden.
National Debt:
Added $7+ TRILLION in four years. Unsustainable spending.
Interest on debt now exceeds $1 TRILLION annually. More than defense budget.
Dollar losing reserve currency status. Spending ourselves into oblivion.
The Accelerated Timeline:
Biden did MORE damage in 4 years than Obama did in 8. This is key point multiple commenters made.
Obama transformed America slowly. Biden ACCELERATED the destruction. Border, inflation, energy, Afghanistan, crime, wokeness—all WORSE under Biden.
THE CUMULATIVE DAMAGE
Sixteen Years of Destruction
If you count Obama’s 8 years plus Biden’s 4 years (with Trump’s 4-year interruption), that’s 12 years of progressive governance that fundamentally transformed America.
What America looked like in 2008:
- Secure borders (relative to now)
- Energy independence achievable
- Manufacturing still significant
- Lower national debt
- Less racial division
- Healthcare (flawed but stable)
- Respected globally
- Lower crime
- Traditional values mainstream
- Free speech protected
What America looks like in 2025:
- Open borders, 10M+ illegals entered
- Energy dependent again
- Manufacturing hollowed out further
- $36+ TRILLION debt
- Extreme racial division
- Healthcare more expensive
- Laughingstock globally post-Afghanistan
- Crime surging in cities
- Woke ideology dominant
- Free speech under attack
The transformation is STARK. America fundamentally changed. Many argue: destroyed.
THE PARTNERSHIP THEORY
Why “Both” Makes Sense
“Ric Reynolds: Well since they’re in each other’s pockets it’s a draw”
They’re not separate actors. They’re PARTNERS. Same team. Same goals. Same donors. Same ideology.
“Well oboma was the auto pin man”
Reference to Obama as puppet master using Biden as “autopen” to sign what Obama wanted.
“Jeff Adams: You Would Think They Were In A Contest .Amen”
Racing to see who could destroy America faster. Both won.
“Carla Baker: I think it was a Team effort!!!😡”
Not competition. COLLABORATION. Working together toward shared goal.
“Marcus Moon: It was a full on collaboration of the both, bring America down and retain democratic power forever, or so they hoped. Along comes President Trump and he changed the entire game they’re playing”
Explicit theory: Obama and Biden PLANNED to destroy America to maintain permanent Democratic power. Transform country so thoroughly that Republicans could never win again.
Trump interrupted the plan. Now Trump is dismantling their work.
THE CONTROL QUESTION
Who Was Really In Charge?
“Gus Peterson: Who do you think was controlling Biden”
Rhetorical question with obvious answer: Obama.
“Tommy Summers: BIG EARS , he was pulling Bidens strings .”
“Big Ears” = Obama. He was controlling Biden like puppet.
“Don Dick: Obama’s and George Soros they also was calling on all the Biden decision”
Not just Obama. Soros too. Biden was front man for shadowy cabal making actual decisions.
This conspiracy theory is WIDESPREAD among conservatives. They genuinely believe Biden wasn’t governing. He was too senile. Someone else was pulling strings.
Whether true or not, PERCEPTION matters. Tens of millions believe Obama ran shadow presidency through Biden. This makes it impossible to separate their damage.
THE IMPOSSIBLE QUESTION ANSWERED
They Can’t Be Separated
The question “Who destroyed America more—Biden or Obama?” is trick question because:
1. Obama controlled Biden. If Obama was shadow president during Biden years, then ALL damage is Obama’s.
2. They worked together. This was coordinated, not separate. Tag team destruction.
3. Biden accelerated Obama’s plans. Biden didn’t do something different. He FINISHED what Obama started.
4. Same administration. Same staff, same ideology, same policies, same goals.
5. Sixteen years of damage. You can’t separate 8 years from 12 years when it’s one continuous transformation.
That’s why 150+ people said “BOTH.” It’s not cop-out answer. It’s ACCURATE answer. You can’t blame one without blaming the other because they’re unified force.
THE FINAL VERDICT
Who destroyed America more—Biden or Obama?
According to 200+ Americans: BOTH. Overwhelmingly. Decisively. Unanimously almost.
At least 150+ said “both” or “tie” or “toss up.” Only handful picked one over the other.
The “Obama’s Third Term” theory explains why: Biden wasn’t actually president. He was Obama’s puppet. Obama pulled strings from shadows. This makes separation impossible.
The sequential theory: Obama started destruction (2009-2017). Trump interrupted (2017-2021). Biden finished it (2021-2025). Two phases of same plan.
The acceleration: Biden did MORE damage in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Afghanistan, border, inflation, wokeness—all WORSE under Biden. But Biden was just executing Obama’s plans faster.
The truth: They’re one entity. O’Biden. Same administration. Same destruction. Both guilty.
Trying to pick one is like asking which half of scissors cuts paper. BOTH. They work together. Separate them and neither cuts. Together, they destroy.
Do YOU think Biden or Obama destroyed America more? Or are they inseparable partners in America’s transformation? The overwhelming consensus says: BOTH—because they were never really separate at all.
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